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How much impact will a dirty air filter have?

Postby fluidj on Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:37 am

Bike is running kinda "funny".
Been hearing a fluttering ?? sound for the past week. Acceleration isn't as smooth as I remember it could be.
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Postby echo on Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:53 am

If you have a paper element it will protect the engine until it plugs up.
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Postby fluidj on Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:54 am

echo wrote:If you have a paper element it will protect the engine until it plugs up.


Will it affect the way the bike runs much though?
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Postby T.Wesley on Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:03 pm

A plugged up air filter will restrict air flow to your fuel system. Given that the fuel system requires gas and air... yes, a buggered air filter will affect your engine performance.

IIRC they're about $15, so it sure wouldn't hurt to put a new one in and see if that's the problem.

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Postby JimVonBaden on Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:37 pm

Pop it out and have a look. You can redilly see if it is too dirty, and usually knock a lot of it out.

That said, it is more likely to be plugs, a TB sync and valve adjustment.

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Postby RocketMan on Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:50 pm

Calculating Impact of a dirty airfiler should be the same as any other calculation of impact clean or otherwise ... easy

see below......

Kinetic energy (K.E.) of an object with a mass (M) dropped from a height (H):
K.E. = M x g x H
(g = acceleration of gravity—980 cm/sec2 for Earth)

Kinetic energy of an object with a mass traveling at a velocity (V):
K.E. = ½ M x V2

Volume (Vol) of a sphere with a radius (R)
Vol = 4/3 pi x R3
pi = 3.14

Mass (M) = of an object with a volume and density (D):
M = Vol. x D
(unit for D is g/cm3)

erg = grams x cm2 x sec
(measure of K.E.)

hope this helps! :lol:
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Postby DogHouse on Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:55 pm

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Postby bigwillys on Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:22 pm

RocketMan wrote:Calculating Impact of a dirty airfiler should be the same as any other calculation of impact clean or otherwise ... easy

see below......

Kinetic energy (K.E.) of an object with a mass (M) dropped from a height (H):
K.E. = M x g x H
(g = acceleration of gravity—980 cm/sec2 for Earth)

Kinetic energy of an object with a mass traveling at a velocity (V):
K.E. = ½ M x V2

Volume (Vol) of a sphere with a radius (R)
Vol = 4/3 pi x R3
pi = 3.14

Mass (M) = of an object with a volume and density (D):
M = Vol. x D
(unit for D is g/cm3)

erg = grams x cm2 x sec
(measure of K.E.)

hope this helps! :lol:


Clear as mud thanks!! :lol:

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Postby RocketMan on Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:31 pm

bigwillys wrote:
RocketMan wrote:Calculating Impact of a dirty airfiler should be the same as any other calculation of impact clean or otherwise ... easy

see below......

Kinetic energy (K.E.) of an object with a mass (M) dropped from a height (H):
K.E. = M x g x H
(g = acceleration of gravity—980 cm/sec2 for Earth)

Kinetic energy of an object with a mass traveling at a velocity (V):
K.E. = ½ M x V2

Volume (Vol) of a sphere with a radius (R)
Vol = 4/3 pi x R3
pi = 3.14

Mass (M) = of an object with a volume and density (D):
M = Vol. x D
(unit for D is g/cm3)

erg = grams x cm2 x sec
(measure of K.E.)

hope this helps! :lol:


Clear as mud thanks!! :lol:

E=MC2.........I'M S-M-R-T TOOO!! :D


Well now, mud would add mass thus increasing the impact, so lets see what effect that would have....... :lol:

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Postby fluidj on Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:47 pm

Cool. Well it's a K&N so I just got back from Battley with a bottle of filter cleaner and filter oil....hope this stuff lasts for at least 203 cleanings...it was $28 combined...a filter woulda only been $18
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Postby fluidj on Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:49 pm

Oh yeah, I shouldn't need a TB sync already, just did it back at the big Tech day out in Sterling. But I do want to get those plugs switched out this weekend hopefully. Do I need to do another synce when I change the plugs?
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Postby RocketMan on Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:22 pm

Ah, yes E=MC2

Surely one of, if not THE, most elegant formulas ever conceived by the mind of humankind!

Elegant in its simplicity yet with such far reaching consequences…

Basically it tells us several interests bit of data

1. that energy and mass are inexorably intertwined and merely different forms of the same thing
2. that they can be transmogrified from one form to the other
3. that the resultant amounts will always remain the same no matter how often it happens
4. that as an object is moved further and further toward the speed of light it becomes ever more and more massive, thus taking more and more energy to move it faster till both are at an infinite level which explains no 5
5. that such transformations of state can only happen at the most infinitely miniscule scales in the subatomic realm (which is VERY VERY GOOD thing!)
6. And that because of the above we (as bodies having mass) can never move through space at or faster than the speed of light.
7. Interesting enough there are a number of essentially “massless” particles that do in fact travel at or beyond the speed of light, such as bosons, gravitons, neutrinos etc all

All of which is not to say we can’t go from point A to point B faster than light would take to get there, we just can’t do it by traveling in a straight line. Lucky for us though light, as with all electromagnetic energy, can be affected by gravity and the universe is full of holes and gravity wells so IN THEORY the way to travel through space is bend it, thus bringing point A and point B together, without being crushed that is, then just step across, or better yet, be at two places at once!

AND since light can be bent and in fact is bent by the effects of gravity we could theoretically send a particle of energy out into space and have it return to its starting point some day if we were VERY VERY patient!

And thus we arrive at my own little pet theory that I came up with at the tender age of 15 entitled “The Infinitely Finite Universe Theory” that basically states that since a particle of energy will eventually return to the point of origin it is that curve that defines our known universe FROM THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN SPACE. HOWEVER!! ( and here’s the ringer) if we move to a point on the farthest point of the curve thus defined by the first particles journey, then we can recreate a new curve from that point, and so on and so on. thus creating an infinite number of overlapping finite universes. What’s really funny is that fact that it turns out that I was not that far off base, but it does seem that my basis for it was a bit off. HA HA

See? Now, put THAT in your pipe and smoke on it a bit!

HA HA!

(oh and I did bend things a bit, but the basic ideas seem to still be in place last I read, though I bet a real whiz could find a few holes or corrections , still, fun stuff to ponder on, we really do live a truly amazing universe just chock full of surprises!)
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Postby echo on Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:22 pm

fluidj wrote:Cool. Well it's a K&N so I just got back from Battley with a bottle of filter cleaner and filter oil....hope this stuff lasts for at least 203 cleanings...it was $28 combined...a filter woulda only been $18


If its bad it should be obvious. Was it clogged with dirt? I think you are right about the origional filters. Better to use them.
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Postby Anton on Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:36 am

fluidj wrote:Cool. Well it's a K&N so I just got back from Battley with a bottle of filter cleaner and filter oil....

Take a good look into your Airbox with a bright light before you decide to reinstall it.
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Postby fluidj on Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:22 pm

What should I be looking for in there? I haven't flogged it with oil, it's pretty much dry as a bone. The filter wasn't as dirty as I thoght. I may just return this $28 worth of cleaner and grab a standard BMW paper filter instead.
I did end upchanging the plugs at Breadmans' today...helped some but not as much as i'd hoped. This thing just seems to running like something is holdingit back. I'm only getting about 170 miles or so out of a full tank of gas, and it seems like it wants to stall out on me sometimes. Valves are adjusted. throttle is synced. The plugs I took out wer kinda white at the tips...(running lean I was told?) How do I correct that?
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